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Dave Bender
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Could this gun belong to a Kriegsmarine unit?!

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Postby Dave Bender » 26 May 2011, 21:21

That wouldn't surprise me. Germany had hardly any organized ground forces in Holland as of September 12, 1944. Consequently all sorts of bits and pieces were hastily thrown into the fight, including some naval personnel.

719 coast defense division. Not trained or equipped for infantry combat.
176th Kranken division. Composed of soldiers considered medicially unfit for combat service.
1st Bn, Fallschirmjaeger Regiment 2. Formed from stragglers during early September 1944.
59th Luftwaffe Field Division. Strength of about 1,000 men after the retreat from France.
Regiment von Hoffmann. Formed from a training depot.
Luftwaffe Penal Battalion 6. Newly arrived from Italy and considered ineffective.
SS NCO School Arnheim. One of the more effective German units.
SS Panzer Grenadier Depot 16.
6/14 Naval Battalion. Formed from naval personnel stationed in Holland.
10th Naval Battalion. More naval personnel who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
A naval diver team tasked with destroying the bridge over the Maas-Scheldt Canal.
Etc.

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Postby Alanmccoubrey » 27 May 2011, 18:17

jopaerya wrote:Hello Alan

The book "Hohenstaufen" from Herbert Fürbringer page 458 .

Regards Jos

Jos, In your copy of the book are they described as "20 x Flakgeschütz 38 (10.5cm)" ?

I find this a very strange way for a German author of military history to refer to a them. The "K" in Flak is for Kanone after all so why did he feel the need to add the "geschütz" to Flak ?

Alan

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Postby jopaerya » 27 May 2011, 18:26

Hello Alan

Here the list from the book page 458 , I don't want to bend the book to much on the scanner .

Regards Jos

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Postby Jampe » 27 May 2011, 18:48

Hi Jos!
Do you know if those 10 schwere Granatwerfer (r) (12 cm) are captured soviet mortars?

Regards Jampe

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Postby jopaerya » 27 May 2011, 18:58

Hello Jampe

Yes you are right


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Postby Jampe » 27 May 2011, 19:01

Ok, thanks!

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Postby Alanmccoubrey » 27 May 2011, 19:32

Jos, Thanks for that, so he has done the same for the 88's as well.

Alan

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Postby Jampe » 27 May 2011, 20:55

Could the 12 cm mortars belonged to SS-I.G.Ausb.Btl.2 ? Or were they from the 9 SS Pz.Div "Hohenstaufen" or some other unit? Some of the s.IG 33 and le.IG 42 guns should have belonged to that training unit, but I don´t know if such
a unit had the s.Gr.wrf.42 or in this case the soviet version...anyone who can help with this?

The 12 cm mortar seems to have been a rare weapon during the battles in normandy...not many panzer divisions had,
as far as I know, received it yet. Had Hohenstaufen really received them?? So, I wonder where 10 such weapons could have come from, especially after the carnage in august and early september in France and Belgium? But there were obviously many training and replacement battalions at Arnhem and Oosterbeek, so could some of those units received the 12 cm mortars?

But this is now becoming a bit off the topic, eh!

Regards Jampe

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Postby JKernwerk » 28 Aug 2013, 22:39

Could it be that these guns came from the Deelen Airbase?
If not maybe the Ruhr?
JK

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